Re: Doing science with prototype Virtual Observatory tools

From: Anita Richards <amsr-at-jb.man.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:31:31 +0100 (BST)

Having finally read this in detail, it is very interesting and will be useful in planning the AVO Jan 2004 demo, especially for other things to do with the GOODS data.

Some comments:

  1. Significance of results. The tests described involved looking for clustering and correlations in data set federations. Where these appear to produce interesting results we need to know the statistical significance of the fit of the correlation to the model, either using just the internal dispersion or using published errors. I am probably the referee from hell as when I get a paper with a plot which "clearly shows y is related to x by ..." then either it is too good to by true and I look for selection effects or it is clear as mud... including probabilities would cure the second problem. VOPlot has some basic statistical functions, and I have actually had more luck than Mark and Bob getting it to do what it claims, a review of these across packages would be a nice future project (or just get them into VOPlot?).
  2. Topcat - what is 'not too much' Java? Less than one line?
  3. Minor details: Fig 13.a The Chandra errors seem rather large, they seem to be ~2" in the catalogue; I have had problems in Aladin with symbols drawn by a filter not rescaling properly when you zoom.

Inevitable advertising :) adding radio data would add to the science value, e.g. the last para of 5.4.1, about embedded AGN in starburst galaxies. In the HDF(N) we found a slight (but probably real) misalignment between the fainter Chandra and radio sources; moreover there seem to be more cross-IDs between faint radio sources and soft X-ray sources than hard. This would support the idea that the faintest radio sources are mostly starbursts which might have soft x-ray emission but they might also have a separate x-ray source in the same galaxy. In the CDF(S) there are two frequencies of VLA data so that could give even more information.

4. I have just used Aladin to investigate the proper motion of a star (U Ori) to see if some MERLIN 2001 water maser observations are centred on where the star could reasonably expect to end up. Using Aladin took me about 3 mins to check what direction the star appeared to be heading in and what catalogues would be useful to use to find the proper motion accurately. Without Aladin the same could be done but much more slowly.

Cheers
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