RE: Comments on V1.1 - Future of VOTable (flame bait sigh)

From: Tony Linde <ael-at-star.le.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:05:02 +0100


> Definitely not. VOTable is a (one, current) way of holding
> small amounts of tabular data and I don't think it is a very

Even I cannot remember what I said - old age!

What I said was that VOTable is designed to transmit tabular data and that it should not be seen either as a storage mechanism nor as a means of representing metadata.

Cheers,
Tony.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-votable-at-eso.org [mailto:owner-votable-at-eso.org] On
> Behalf Of Tony Linde
> Sent: 14 April 2004 14:49
> To: votable-at-ivoa.net
> Subject: RE: Comments on V1.1 - Future of VOTable (flame bait sigh)
>
> > Tony said at the beginning of this discussion, VOTable is
> primarily a
> > way of holding metadata. It happens to also be
>
> Definitely not. VOTable is a (one, current) way of holding
> small amounts of tabular data and I don't think it is a very
> good way to do even that. It is a dreadful way of
> representing metadata for all the reasons stated by Alasdair,
> Martin and others.
>
> > convenient for moving results because a lot (should be all?) of
> > VOTools 'speak' VOTable.
>
> The few tools written do speak VOTable, but mostly different
> dialects - inventing an 'own' metadata format makes such
> diversity of implementing so-called standards inevitable, I'm afraid.
>
> Cheers,
> Tony.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-votable-at-eso.org [mailto:owner-votable-at-eso.org]
> On Behalf
> > Of Anita Richards
> > Sent: 14 April 2004 14:26
> > To: martin hill
> > Cc: votable-at-ivoa.net
> > Subject: Re: Comments on V1.1 - Future of VOTable (flame bait sigh)
> >
> > >
> > > I agree with everything you say Anita except this bit!
> > VOTable is not
> > > the right thing to *start* with when looking at the next
> > stage. Let's
> > > use XML as it was meant to be used, not take XML, apply a
> > schema, then
> > > try and squeeze everything into the resulting IVO-specific format.
> >
> > Are we talking about using VOTable to hold the SED or the
> metadata?
> > And for whom?
> >
> > Maybe I ahve got the wrong end of the stick, but as I think
> Tony said
> > at the beginning of this discussion, VOTable is primarily a way of
> > holding metadata. It happens to also be convenient for
> moving results
> > because a lot (should be all?) of VOTools 'speak' VOTable.
> >
> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > - Dr. Anita M. S. Richards, AVO Astronomer MERLIN/VLBI National
> > Facility, University of Manchester, Jodrell Bank Observatory,
> > Macclesfield, Cheshire SK11 9DL, U.K.
> > tel +44 (0)1477 572683 (direct); 571321 (switchboard); 571618 (fax).
> >
>
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